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Monday, July 25, 2005

Humans are not objective. And they are not subjective

Two comments from one of my regularly visited blogs. Interesting perspective on objective-subjective duality.

Richard, criticism is a good thing, China opens itself up to the world, it knows what that means at the first place. It knows criticism, challenges are part of the game. As long as one is being objective, there would be no harsh feelings. But how can human beings be objective?

Posted by Chinese Queen at July 24, 2005 11:34 PM

Chinese Queen,
I like the way you think.
Let me suggest an answer to your question "How can human beings be objective?" - and my answer comes from Modern Western science, which agrees with Ancient Chinese philosophy:
My Western answer is: Humans are not objective. And they are not subjective either. All Human knowledge is participant - it comes from participating with other things or other people.
Late Modern physics has demonstrated this. There is no such thing as objectivity OR subjectivity.
ALL knowledge and ALL experience, comes from participation with other things and other people, and the influence is always mutual, always in both directions.
As you are (or seem to be) Chinese, I assume you know that this idea of Modern Western Science is very similar to what Lao Tzu taught. (Well, personally I like L
And so, China has more in common with the Modern West than many Westerners or Chinese imagine. :-)

Posted by Ivan at July 24, 2005 11:56 PM

1 comment:

gberke said...

Zen would observe that humans are not objective, they are not subjective, and they neither not subjective nor not objective.
All things are on the path of no way and exist as no thing.
One may certainly strive, but one will not achieve what one is striving for. Even the striving is something that we may not claim with certainty.
And that's no shit. :-)